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The following posts have been reprinted in their entirety from posts e-mailed by readers of this website, except that headers, names and locations have been removed. These posts express the opinions and experiences of their authors, and this site publisher makes no representations about them in any way whatsoever. Re: Omegatrend Hi I am residing in Malaysia
and have been approached by a rep from Omegatrend. The concept
which they sell "build your own biz" sounds very promising
and though I have signed up...been to a few "business presentations",
I am still very skeptical. How can one make money by joining
a "shopping club" ? Should I pursue Omegatrends or
get the hell out? We've been in Amway for 8 years, and it's been very good to us. We've attended all the functions. Yes, Amway is a hard business to build because of the bad reputation of Amway -it's not the business -it's the unethical people and the stupid things they do that give Amway a bad name. If it wasn't for this business, listening to the tapes, reading books, going to functions, we wouldn't have what we have today -meaning a better self image, self-confidence and direction in life. As far as you believe it is a cult -I have never experienced anything cult related. The money that comes from the tapes and the function attendance is an incentive for people to move on to reach the higher levels. Im very proud to be associated with the people in me upline (International Leadership Development) thay have never led me wrong and have done everything in there power to help me move on in my business. Not all MLMs are a scam. My mother is a another mlm and is doing good and making over $2000 a month. To whom be concern, I enjoy reading your website. I was wondering if it possible for you to add my website to your link?
I cant believe this BS. Obiously you wont print this but you will read this. Maybe you should read the Business Support Materials section of the application. It reads; "I understand that Business Support Materials such as books, magazines, audio, and video tapes, software, web sites, internet services and other electronic media, support tools, or tickets, to motivational or business business building seminars may be available for purchase. I understand that the purchase of such products and services is always optional. The decision wether to purchase any BSM's is entirely up to me. In making this decision, I will use my own good judgement as to what is best for my Independent Business. Some IBO's earn income from the sale of BSMs apart from their earnings as IBOs. I acknowledge that I have received and read a copy of the business Support Materials Arbitration Agreement. If I decide to purchase BSMs, I understand that I should execute the Agreement to Arbitrate attatched thereto. [Note: This entire section is relatively new, appearing for the first time in application forms and renewal forms for the fiscal year 1997-98. Prior to September, 1997, the income earned from BSMs and functions was a deep, dark secret. I believe it is in direct response to the disclosures on websites such as this one that the BSM information was included in the application.]
I just got a call from a networker who told me the Sky Biz was shut down in canada as a pyramid scheme. I am not in Sky Biz, but have been prospected and just wanted to know if you heard the same? Thank you inadvance...
Checked a couple times to find my email on your site. Either I missed them or you just didn't get around to it. Unfortunately you choose to select the rantings of someone who cannot even spell as a letter of the month - how about something a little more thought provoking (might be too much of a challenge to defend your position). By the way, you calculate that Amway/Quixtar got $1/IBO last month. I consider that incredibly successful when you compare it to Amazon.com who spends $34/customer in advertising - technically speaking, Amazon loses about $1.50 to sell $1.00 worth of stuff, we made $1/customer WOW !! Thanks for the insight. We seem to be beating some of the best e-com websites right where it counts. Apparently despite our terribly flawed (according to your assessments) business model, we happen to be the only e-com website making a profit - GO FIGURE !!. [Yes, but the question is, are the IBOs making a profit? Nobody has argued that MLM is not successful for the company. Is it successful for the distributor? No.]
Hello: I have attached my mlm story for your consideration. Thanks for the web site. I am a lawyer with 8 years
of post-high school education. I was brought into MLM
back around 1990 when a local sportscaster here in the Washington
DC area got a friend of mine into Nu Skin. He was a
popular guy around town, brought Redskins players to
the meetings and generally talked the talked and flaunted his
alleged riches from Nu Skin. My friend and I were hooked.
We bought all the intro products, had business cards made ( I
was still a working lawyer in a great govt. job), and attended
every meeting we could. I sold some products at work
but could never get anyone below me. I eventually left
after spending $500 of my own money. I am embarrassed
about it to this day. My friend left eventually too,
but only after spending alot more than me. Our sportscaster sponsor?
He left the local station and headed to Phoenix. This
was after he too got out (no more riches to be made he claimed.)
Sometime later I received notice that a class action suit had
been filed against Nu Skin by some of those who had gotten out
of it. I was too busy to get involved then, but from
what I understand, Nu Skin was eventually forced to pay all start
up costs to those left in the suit. I am
astounded that Nu Skin is still around, flourishing in fact,
all over the world with names like Christie Brinkley associated
with them. Is it us or them?? All I know
is that I know a scam when I see one, but just couldn't see this
one. I would love to read more about Nu Skin on your
web site. Thanks for letting me share. Could you please forward the User Name and Password required to access www.ask-an-emerald.com. Thanks for your reply!
Hi, I've been approached with the mela program, do you have any info on it? any help is appreciated,
Could anyone please share there personal story about their Primerica experience? It seems that everywhere I turn for information has been shut down or silenced. This site appears to be a safe place to discuss views, so please try to help me out. Thank you in advance.
On your site, you spewed: "I don’t know where McDonald got his September 11 claim of being #22 when Quixtar ended the month at #216. " My response: Interestingly enough, McDonald got his figures from PCDataOnline. You see, the public report that you see is not the report that they see. Paying customers get actual in depth information and more accurate statistics. Those public reports from PCDataOnline only rank on one dimension. Oh, and btw, since current business volume is at a record high for this time of the year, somebody is spending just a little more than $35 per month. You see, unlike "traditional" e-commerce businesses, where number of eye-balls is the measurement of success, Quixtar's success comes from the fact that they are building a profitable foundation on a smaller number of consumers. This will continue to build and build. In terms of length of time on the site, with 90 servers running the show and nearly all of the bugs fixed, that site downright smokes. I have run several tests (just for the fun of it) and each page is downloaded and displayed quicker than nearly any of the other major e-commerce players (56K v.90 modem & 128 ISDN). Again, you fail to impress me with your lack of intelligent things to say. Part II McDonald didn't say which dimension for which he was quoting. Was it hits? Was it length of time spent? etc. We have no idea, and neither do you. All I know is that my own contacts (outside of Quixtar), whom I will choose not to mention, are backing up the report -- and no, they are not on Quixtar's payroll. > Really? And where are you getting those figures > from? > Two places, contacts within the corporation and my organizations figures (both up and downline). We're generating at least four times the volume we were last year. Also, from a slightly different viewpoint, it is interesting to note that in just the three+ months since Quixtar opened, we have become OfficeMax.com's number one retail channel outside of it's retail stores (and we're on track to outsell it's stores in the near future), we're already Hickory Farms number one outlet both on and off the net, and nearly all of the Partner Stores have seen upwards of a 40% increase in volume since the opening. Also, keep in mind that while other ecommerce sites are closing down their christmas shopping services because of an inability to deliver product in time, Quixtar is still able to deliver the goods, and will continue to take Christmas orders. Why is this important? Because it shows that Quixtar does indeed have a one-up in the e-commerce marketplace. > <<that site downright smokes>> > Well, considering those figures are still holding true today, that should tell you something. Even when the site is fixed people are still spending quite a bit of time there. I mean heck, I think I spent about three hours on the site last Friday finishing up my Christmas shopping. My wife spent at least that on Saturday!
Your site provides a lot of valuable information I wish I had my hands on 3 years ago when several members of my family signed up with Amway and WWDB. Many of them have worked hard and put a lot of time and money into, but not one is close to being a direct. I am amazed at how much in the dark they are about the percent of profits coming from tools and functions, while so little comes from the sale of products. After thousands of dollars and hours spent, they actually believe WWDB is a nonprofit organization. I assume the percentages are pretty much the same for all AMO's. I care very much for these people, and hopefully am getting them to start asking themselves the right questions. Do you have any new information on the Taylor lawsuit against Samir Atalah and the Duncans? I appreciate what you're doing and will be checking in often for updates. Many thanks!
Why should you move educational info through your business without making some money? Its not like they are overly expensive. The information on the tapes does help build a business and you are free to develop your own support materials. The only reason they dont bring it up is because its not the same in every group and it is a separate business from Amway or Quixtar Plus it could be damaging to a brand new person who does not understand. When you sign the registration form you are registering as an Independent Business Owner. Any smart business person would recognize the advantage of having a system already in place that you can plug into and not have to develop yourself. Especially if it has been proven to work. Ever notice how colleges charge premium prices for books and may even require a laptop and will only buy back the books at a small fraction of the cost? I am not saying there is any thing wrong with that either. Its just part of getting an education and there are no gaurantees you will graduate and make a certain amount of money per year. Well I understand what your thinking is but I really wish yu could see the big picture and take your site down and not ruin it for someone. What if there is someone out ther in a similar situation that you were in and this was her only opportunity. Could you turn your site into more of an education site instead making new people aware of the fact that they should be careful of how they spend their money to get the most out of the business and to sponsor alot of width in the beginning for immediate profit. I promise you that a direct for instance who only has one leg will be making alot more money on the tool flow than product pv which by the way wont be much. On the other hand someone who is 20 wide with the same pv may be very profitable. PV can be deceiving. You should always check with someone who knows the business well to make those business decisions.Thanks for responding. I don't know how true this is. It was sent to me from a guy I work with who has been trying to sponsor me for months now. So you might want to check into it yourself. It looks to me like it could be just another way to get people into the business. I found it a little funny that if quixtar is supposed to be doing so well, they have to go to these lengths to generate business. But anyway check it out yourself and keep up the good work.
FYI - We have had an Amway/Quixtar business for 7 years. We have hit and maintained the Platinum level. Our average monthly income is $4,000 per month. Our average monthly expenses have been $403 per month. We own several other successful businesses. We are very pleased with the Amway/Quixtar business. It is a very profitable business for the amount of time we put into it. The tools are part of any business. We only recommend people that are going to build the business utilize the tools. The average incomes for Founders Emeralds is $89,000.00 per year, Founder Diamonds $187,000.00 per year, and Founders EDC and above $850,000.00 per year. Sometimes just the plain old facts make sense to business owners and entrepreneurs" - Anon. appreciate any feedback! Part II The pin level incomes is going thru Quixtar legal right now and will be hitting naitional publications once approved. That is our income. If you understand what you dont like, you would understand that Quixtar pays all checks directly to the independent IBO's. We pass no money downline. Ruth, you seem like a bright person. Just put the facts out there and let people decide for themselves. Have you ever owned your own business? Do you know what it is like to be $400,000 in debt from starting a traditional business. Do you ever sleep 2 hours a night because you dont know how you are going to make payroll and rent? Do you have a theory or an experience? I would rather risk $99.00 on an Quixtar business than $400,000 on a traditional business. I have done both and I have lost no sleep over my $99.00 investment. Please post the truth! Sincerely Re: AJL and AAP I have been a frequent reader of Sid Schwartz's web page before Amway shut him down. I thought you might be interested in knowing that Amway issued a press release today at about 3:30 pm est. stating that a class action law suit was filed against them in California today as a result of the terms of their tender offer for Amway Japan stock. There was also a similar complaint filed against AAP. I thought you'd like to know.
I'm not sure where to start. First things first, My wife is a Nikken distributor, I am not. if you reply to this e-mail please reply at * and not through the reply button, for my wife will find that I am doing "negative" research against her "wonderful" organization. My wife became a distributor last Feburary. It was odd the way it happened. This opportunity was first presented to us two years ago, at that time I was able to convince her not to invest in this buisiness. I just did not feel good about what we had heard, nor did I fall for the easy money and build your dreams through Nikken hype. The lady who invited us to this "preview" would not leave us be. I told her many times we are not interested and we do not have the money to invest in a small buisness. This went on for a while and finally it seemed as if she got the hint she finally left us alone. Well I was wrong. One day last Febuarary while I was at school she met with my wife and some how convinced her to become a distributor. I got home from school that day and found out what had happened and that we are now Nikken distributors. I did not know what to think. I was kind of suprised but not mad at my wife, if any thing I trusted her decsion and thought oh what the heck I'll look at this "opportunity. Well you know how the MLM cult works, the dreams, the prosperity, the meetings, the propaganda. Needless to say her credit cards are maxed. The most she has made from this buisness in one month barely could pay the rent. It is a good thing I do not believe the B.S. and I work a good job. However this is the problem. I know she's being scamed, she is changing in ways I cannot understand. The things that brought us together as a couple are fading away. I love my wife and I dont want to lose her to Nikken. We have talked at great lengths about what we each see in Nikken, and obviously we dont see eye to eye. It is frustrating. I dont know what to do other than love her or what she once was. Is there any where I can go for advice on how to talk to a spouse who's entrapped in a mind altering cult. Please send help :( Thank-you
Hello, My name is ** and I'm curious to know if you've had any negative responses towards Nikken Inc? [see above. . .]
A friend recently sent me an email regarding a "business opportunity" in the form of IPRO, which sells pure trusts, promising enormous rewards for a small investment. Is there a source where I can find out about such things? I would appreciate any info you can give me. Thanks,
To Who it may concern: I would like to sincerely thank you for your website. About a week ago, I was in a chat room, I have always been the friendly girl who talked to whoever instant messaged me. Well, the guy that IMed me was a man claiming to be a rich business man. So I talked to him for a bit. He told be on how he was in from California, and was interviewing people for the new office down by 6th Ave. This 6th Ave is about an hour and half away from my house. He was a pretty talker, and I could see. He also seemed very intelligent. He asked me to call, and since I was home sick from school and no one at home, I called. It was a stupid mistake! Well, we talked.. He found out I knew a lot about business and leadership. That is when he told me about his Inc. 500 Company. Not mentioning once Equinox once. He told me about the 3600% increase. The whole time I listened very carefully and made mental notes to myself. I knew from the beginning it seemed fishy... He talked to me, and told me, if I came to work with him, I could go to college and make so much money training people to be like me I could pay for college and retire my parents. That's when I had to check it out to see if it were legit. He told me they were having interviews for this so called "job" until tonight. I had my sister drive me down, when we got there, I noticed that everyone was so young, and or single parents. I thought that was strange. The people with Equinox fast talked us in the briefing, the whole time I looked around and saw how everyone was in a trance of making some money. I thought how sad this is that these people are just as money crazed at the people working for this MLM firm. Including my sister, she was in a trace. When I saw this I seriously leaned over and said this sounds like a cult! She laughed and said I guess so. The sales pitch went on and finally after 2 hours of my time wasted we met this guy I talked to online. He was so fake! I could tell it was a fake suit, and fake everything. His sister who just bought a new "lexus" was so ditzy it was not funny. She needs to spend some more time in her business class and other studies before prancing around claiming she's a good business woman. A good business woman is a woman that knows when something is fake! Her brother, made a pitch on me, and went off, I asked to see some products and all the bottles were empty, I asked why, and he said the real products were in back, I asked to see them. He changed the subject, he later went on to talk about how the pollution in the water cause breast cancer from the showers we take. I was like OK, whatever, then he added why risk having a lobotomy on your breasts when you could have this nice filtration system put in and not worry about cancer. I told him too bad its called a mastectomy and that most of the time, breast cancer is not environmental. After that, he tried sweet talking me, and I got in his short little face to be quiet, and I know what a real business is and this is not. I walked out. I went home and did not think much of those stupid people. Not until yesterday in my psychology class, we are learning about cults, and well AMWAY and other MLM groups were seen on the website. We cracked some jokes about it. Not until tonight, almost a full week after the incident did I think about it, and look on the MLM website. To my wonder, I saw Equinox! I about pooped my pants. I am so thankful that I had a good head on my shoulders, and enough sense to walk away. The reason I am writing you is to thank you for warning others, and perhaps they will find this website before another evilnox, I mean equinox person finds them. Also, if you have anymore information about this "cult" if you could send it so I can use it for a report I am doing for my psychology paper on cults. Much thanks again. And I have a quick question, when I went in to this "interview" we had to sign in, why is that? I am a bit worried about that. I did sign in. Well, thanks again.
Well it is clear that you are very bitter. I feel different about it than you though. I have asked my upline diamond many times how to get the most for my money and he has kept me from spending more than I should a time or to. Even as far as telling me not to buy too many of a new tool because he felt there was something coming out very soon that would be refined. This has been the case on two items I can recall in the past two months. I also got very exited about a new tool at the last function and was ready to buy and it would have been very expensive approx. $600 and I checked with him and he said he would wait if he were me, and suggested subscribing to a website service for $10.00 per month and print up some business cards. Which by the way is working very well as a matter of fact someone I gave my card to last week went to the information site and got enough info and signed up as a member and made a decent sized order. (FYI I pay $30.00 per month for a website for my conventional business that is no where near as nice and only has a small fraction of the pages) We have gotten Amvox messages a few times also from our upline to be careful about how we spend our money on tools, but so many things are working right now it is amazing. Also Diaomands have to contribute to putting on functions. I understand that over the past few years some of the diamonds and emeralds experienced loss of business. Due in part to a fairly good economy new trends in retail and old ways of doing business in the Amway business (picking up your supplies through your upline), baggage that MLMs carry (some not so good ones) and maybe even some not so good people in this business. I am sure there are a few it is a people business and attracts all kinds good and not so good. Although it has a way of screening out most of the not so good but not fool proof. But again if you learned anything from some of the info out of the business can you find it in your heart to use your site in a positive manner by educating them to build there business wisely. Dont get caught up in the hype treat it like a real business and think logically and realistically? When I asked what it would take to build this business when I got in this is what I was told: On the average this is what it takes to go direct in 1 year.
Keep doing this and you will go on to Emerald in 1 to 2 years after that and so on and so on. Now answer me this.... Were you doing all of these steps? I mean all of them? Was your Diamond doing these still? One thing abut this business is if you quit working it, it quits working. That is probably where you saw this one particular diamond doing more in tapes and tools than volume in business. If you were to interview 100 diamonds all there incomes would be different. Some are better at promoting product flow some are better at promoting tool flow. One more thing and If you write
me back on this I think we have talked enough we will never change
each others minds we may as well drop it, but I dont know if
you have looked at the Quixtar site yet but how can you look
at that and not say that that is a very good opportunity for
someone to make an income as big as they choose if they are willing
to work it and get people involved? And with less tools possibly.
I know its not perfect (the internet in general is not) show
me one that is but it is not cluttered with banner adds, the
pages are clean and not crowded with too much stuff, they continue
to improve it, you get pv on everything from the ISP, to credit
cards, to phone service, discounts at stores outside the site,
everything from... well it speaks for it self and I guess I just
cant see why your bashing it. If you have figured out a way to
build a successful business without the books, tapes and seminars
and it is such a waste of money then why dont you do it and just
build it off of genuinely caring for people? One more thing I
just thought of. I wonder if the fact that more tools flowed
through that business you worked for meant that maybe people
just enjoy the tapes and books. What is wrong with that? My Dad
is in and he doesn't really "build" the business but
loves getting the tapes every week. Someone else in my group
hardly ever buys any thing and only has one person sposored but
never misses a major function because he and his wife love going
to them and it brings them closer together. If I end up being
a Diamond some day which is what I want,If I knew the system
was helping people in their life I would have no problem making
more off of the system. If I knew it was a hardship for someone
like it was for you I would feel bad if it were not giving you
the results you needed. But in reality you probably did not do
the 8 step process until you got good at it because if you did
you wouldnt be where you are right now. I know this because I
didnt do it at first I thought I could do it without the tools
on my own, but it did not work very well I sponsored a few off
of excitement but they are not doing anything. I still do not
follow the 8 step process completely and I still get results.
Although I try I cant imagine where I might be if I did, probably
in qualification for direct at least who knows. Well good bye
and have a great day! I am not an MLM survivor, my wife and I were just exposed to the Quixtar pitch last night by an acquaintance from our church. Neither of us were hooked, since we are not salespeople, but I was just searching for Quixtar on the web. In the process, I found your site via the Metacrawler search engine (you were 2nd on the list after quixtar.com). Thank you for providing the information. Sorry you had to experience it first hand.
"How can your "Christian" heart be so cold to the heart-rending accounts of divorces entered into on the advice of upline Amway distributors, of parents and children separated by the teaching of the organization, of physical and sexual abuse of downline distributors by their upline? How many of these victims have to cry out before their truths carry more weight than your friendships with rich and powerful Amway leaders?" [From my Open Letter to Jerry Falwell] physical abuse? sexual abuse from upline? talking people into divorces? where are you getting this stuff? [From distributors and former distributors.] you were in amway for a decade? why are you now so negative about the organization? [Read my story.] everybody knows that amway works. [Really? And who is "everybody"? The DeVos and Van Andel families? Sure, it's worked for them! The Diamonds, who represent less than 0.0117% of all distributors? Or the 99+% who LOSE money, time, and relationships while they are chasing their "dream"?] i have been in for less than 3 months and will soon go direct. [Your letter to me was dated December 15, 1999. Have you gone direct yet?] how can you knock an opportunity like that? [Because it's not an opportunity for the vast majority who invest in it and lose money.] what is the basis of your negativity? Part II you asked these questions so i will assume you wish to engage me in dialogue of this stuff and i am happy to oblige. i am also interested to hear your experiences and why it did not work for you. i have been in since mid august. i am not a guru but i am an active participant and i do what my upline says. i am trying to do what they already have so not listening to their counsel seems, to me, stupid. i am not out to prove i am smarter...their way works and so i use it. since august i did nothing for a month, paralyzed by some image fears that "my friends will know i am in amway." how stupid is that? i went to FED and had several life changing experiences on business, personal and spiritual levels. i also became convicted. i went to FED without a single person in my business and i now have gone 12 wide and have a 4000 PV business. is that an example of amway working? you make the call but i would say that it is. by virtue of bill britt, ron puryear, brad and greg duncan and countless others we KNOW that amway works in terms of its ability as a business vehicle to create wealth. if it did not work for everyone...that does not* mean it does not work for anyone. amway is not that different than any other pursuit in terms of success ratios. for example, my dream was always to be a professional baseball player. i came very, very close but in the end i did not make it. now, consider that profession and consider the statistics of how many people started a age 8, as i did, and played thru college and yet I never made it to the big leagues. by comparison, those numbers would make amway look like a sure thing!!! does that mean baseball is rigged? does that mean the system just does not work? of course not. does that mean that the baseball is a bad profession or vehicle to create wealth...it just means that the average folks are going to be weeded out. this happens in every business i know of. Wherever you work...how many CEOs are there? how many VPs? how many senior managers? get the picture?? back to baseball...and here is how i differentiate myself from virtually every other disgruntled amway distributor...i failed to realize my dream in professional baseball but that is not on major league baseball. that is on me! for whatever reasons i did not have the talent and the luck to make it. that does not mean i did not work hard...i put 14-15 years into chasing that dream...but unlike alot of amway distributors I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR MY FAILURE TO SUCCEED. if there were just one of you who would say, yeah, i never built a big business but you know what, i also was never 8 out of core and i made a bazillion excuses not to show the plans and i was a lousy teacher/mentor for my people and i never really understood the power of edifying and uplifting people and i never read "how to win friends and influence people" ..Something! why is there not one of you disgruntled amway folks who will take a shred of responsibility for the outcome? i totally do not get that. > For the DeVos and > Van Andel families? Undoubtedly. For the Yagers, Britts, and other "big > pins"? Sure. forget the owners but for the others if they can make it (and they did it when it was WAY harder than it is now with quixtar) then we can know that it is possible to succeed. so the exercise, then, becomes understanding what they did that you didn't. or were they just lucky? > For the IBOs getting sucked in? No way, Jose. Fewer than 1% > ever qualify as directs (platinums) even once. this statistic on its own mean nothing. here is what i do, i make a personal goal to show 22 plans a month, i do board plans, counsel upline and down and make every function. how many of the 99% you mention worked like that? i will bet you none. platinum is not even a leadership pin. you do not even have to have leadership skills to hit platinum...it and ruby are volume pins. platinum is easy. maybe it just looks like that to me because i have awesome upline, have daily contact with my upline diamond, have developed a genuine friendship with him...etc. so perhaps i am lucky in that regard. regardless, i am working this thing and everyone whom i know that is doing what i do is getting the same results. i tell people when i show them the plan "if you do what i do you will create wealth" and i believe that with all my heart. i have seen it! this is an extremely simple business. i did not say easy but it is simple. i do not know how others do it but i sponsor someone in, get there list and put 2-3 people under then from their list in a weeks time. THAT builds conviction in them and i make sure they get tied into tape,books and functions which are the glue that holds everything together. this business is not hard. > Of those, they average annual business losses. Is this success? depends on your perspective. as tax payers i think you would agree that it is in our financial best interest to show the least profit (have the most number of deductions possible) so in that regard a business that can generate revenue yet show a loss can be a good thing. i have a day job in which i make 6 figures so i am not reliant on amway to put bread on the table. your mileage may vary. i will concede this business provides delayed gratification. anyone who thinks that this is a get rich quick scheme will definitely get disillusioned and i can see those people dropping out. > Is this a business that works? Fewer than > 0.0117% ever achieve diamond. Is this a business that works? that statistic is also misleading. MANY people make it to emerald and are making $110 - 150/year and so they get complacent and never try to put the other 3 legs over. the meaningful statistic is how many people who tired to be diamonds and took all the steps they were taught to take failed to make it. > So who knows it works? Paul Conn, who's made a ton of money writing books > that are sold to IBOs? Shad Helmstetter, ditto. . . Zig Ziglar ditto. . . > does anyone say it works who isn't somehow plugged into your pocket? i do not know who those people are. i did see the 30 year old woman in the cube next to me at work retire on august 12th. she retired because their amway income was way more than she was making here. they were rubys at the time and were making $10-12K/month. i saw that with my own eyes. that same guy also got $8,000 in additional tax deductions because of this business. > I'll bet you even think that your upline is wealthy. . . no, i do not think so. my sponsor is the ruby i mentioned. he sees something in me that compels him to believe that i will make it in this business...so he spends his time with me and we counsel daily. my upline diamond (howie danzik) is definitely rich. i have been to his house and seen, his business is in exec, diamond qualification and he married a diamond. his wife went diamond as a single. the only one in north america at the time. her brother is her sponsor went diamond and the guy speaks poor english (they're hawaiian) and was a 23 year old bartender, crack smoking hippie when he got into this business. matt tsurda if you want to look it up. many, many people are in denial about their contribution to the failure of their own amway businesses and that is something i will never be able to control the truth is for those who chose to work it, stay consistent and take baby steps every day... this business works! > <<what is the basis of your negativity?>> > > If you had read my story, at www.mlmsurvivor.com/mystory.htm, you would not > have to ask this. I worked for a diamond for five years. I witnessed > firsthand the deception, fraud and lies for material gain. It made me sick. ruth, i did read your story. i do not know your diamond and so i take your word that every thing you claim must have happened. i do not recall the deceit you speak of being spelled out but i will reread it. did you mention his name? no matter, there are definitely wackos in amway and there with be quixtoids, too. one guy does not color the whole lot black...at least not for me. dexter yegar, however, was a crook, plain and simple. please respond when you have time. i am sure you will dismiss my words and my convictions as cultist or something but i a, interested in your view nonetheless. regards, Part III sorry for the volume of mail
today but since you have worked for a diamond you will know the
answer to something i have been curious about. just what is the
diamond
I just want too thank you from preventing a huuuge mistake. I went to a "briefing" and heard most of it before but was willing to try. That was yesterday, and today the 5 grand came up. I was all willing to try,then I said "I need more info" and before I got to there homepage I found yours. I was taken back,cause I'm an educated person. I felt rage after reading your story, and will promptly call them to say no thanks.
Recently this com[pany went into Chapter 7 bankruptcy. A creditors meeting was held last month around the 29th. Can you provide me with information on that meeting since I have not been notified by the courts or informed by their attorneys as to the current standing of the company AND what actions are being taken to pay off any creditors?
I have to say that after reading further into your site, while still very happy with your content, am a little offended by your analogy between Amway and Scientology. Being a Scientologist and also having been in Amway I can tell you there is nothing similar. My experiences in Amway caused me to get further removed from my church, friends and family and exposed me to the greed and attempted mind-control tactics that I'm sure you are familiar with. Scientology is an applied religious philosophy that encourages people to think for themselves and strive to improve their abilities and relationships with others. There is no arm-twisting to buy audio tapes, or enforced guilt for not attending an event or sunday service etc. The Scientology On-Line project offered websites to any Scientologist that wished to have one, and offered a way for an individual to share his personal successes. As far as dominating search engines & choking free speech I have a hard time making that connection. Being in the web design business I know that most of the 14 major search engines have anti-spam protocols that allow usually a maximum of around 250 separate page submissions from any domain. The concept of someone "choking the search engines" is just not possible without ALL submissions ending up being rejected due to spamming. I applaud you for a very informative site, yet ask that you keep it to the appropriate forum.
Just a quick note to say: Kudos's for a great website!! I am an Amway survivor, silver direct distributor with 5 years of self-abasement and guilt-ridden "building the business". God, what a relief to be out of it! Anyway, just wanted to give you the nod for a very well-done & informative site. Thanks so much and keep up the good work! |
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