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Re: Amway My name is ** my husband * and I are Amway Members in Australia. I have read My Stroy and can understand the what the Lady went through. We had a similar experience with the business but in a different group. We are now in the Network 21 system. Which encourges you to attent all functions and to purchase the bbok and tapes. But to do so not at any expense to your self's. By retailing products. The year is now 2000, and Amway it self has changed. They have made some mistakes and learned from them. No-one denies that they have faults just like any business. But the problem in My story was with her group not Amway as they provide not training or orgainse functions. That is purly done by the Diamond you are attached to. It would be off a great interest to you to check out the Newtwork 21 system. As we donot make our money from the tools, we only cover costs. Our income comes directly from PV & BV via members by want goods and services they want on line. I think before you go public with this you really need to find out the facts on both sides of the coin. * & I have look at both sides. As we have a very successful business not associated to Amway or Network 21, and feel that we can help others more through the Network 21 system. Please keep an open mind. I did not and learned the hard way. I only want the truth to be know, so please look at both sides. I know there are some Diamonds out there that are making money by promoting the business the wrong way, but that happens in every orgainsations (the catholic church, the Salvation Army, the Government and so one) but it is not the orgainsations but the people in those groups at the time. You can email Network 21 for assistance www.network21.com.\ Yours faithfully Let the truth be know. Re: Amway/Omegatrend My name is **, I live in Perth, Western Australia I am a person who has failed dismally at MLM. I joined the "International Dreambuilders" (IDA) group of Amway distributors in 1985 and I devotedly stuck with the program for ten years which included the network break-up which took me out of Amway and into Omegatrend. I spent a lot of money on it and made very little money out of it. I absolutely understand people's bitterness and disappointment from failure in this type of business which builds our hopes so high. Yet, I will never speak against it! If it were not for these people approaching me and teaching me a better way to see myself and others and to deal with people in general I would not have attained the other successes in my life. MLM is not immune to people doing the wrong thing and it is just like any other business where it often seems that the rewards are not commensurate with effort. I eventually (it took nine years) made the decision that I had given it my best shot, and it was time to move on. When we get disappointed like this there is a grieving process which we go through. I stress GO THROUGH! We should come out the other side as wiser and better people. I commend your web site for providing an avenue for people to express their feelings about their experiences and perhaps publish information on some of the bad guys. My experience did no involve any 'bad guys'. I had to take responsibility for my own decisions. I had to forgive "the business" for the unfulfilled expectations and forgive myself for my failure in it. If we hang on to the hurt, the disappointment and bitterness we are not moving on and we only hurt ourselves. Re: Quixtar I am so thankful that I ran across your website! My wife and I attended a "recruitment" meeting for Quixtar a couple of days ago. I was invited by my family physician who has been involved with Amway for several years. The "motivating" speaker was my doctor's sponsor. I was skeptical at first when the physician began talking to my wife and I about Quixtar. But when we showed up at the meeting, people that we go to church with were there! The meeting was very upbeat. The speaker seemed to be well prepared but I did notice several things that made me uneasy. This guy didn't know us from Adam, but when he heard that some of us went to church together, he suddenly became very religious. The "business" was a way to give more to the church and charities. A way to spend more time with family, which was "God's plan." I caught on in a hurry. I wanted to do some research on the speakers statistics as well, and found many of them to be inconsistant with well respected publications on Quixtar. I also noticed that he pushed going to the "functions" and meetings. After reading your story, I wonder how I'm going to be able to spend time with my family if I'm trudging off to North Carolina every few months! I'm going to another meeting on Tuesday nite, but I'm going for an entirely different reason this time. I'm not going so much because I'm interested in the business, but I'm interested in learning the truth about this whole deal. Can you offer some more websites like yours that would help prepare me for my question and answer session with my "sponsor"? Your help would be greatly appreciated! Yours Re: Nikken Good points! The training tools I buy as a Nikken distributor are not directly from my upline. Sure, members of my upline may have recorded them, but they're sold through a third party company. One company is NetTools, the other is the Idea Store. I don't know if my upline is compensated or receives renumeration for these recordings. But, yes, I do follow your reasoning. May you always stay happy, healthy, and above all keep your critical faculties. best, Well we could fight over this subject but that would make us both fools. The proof is I have a very comfortable lifestyle like I said I am sorry it did not work out for you but why steal someone else's dream if you think Corporate America is going to make their dreams cometrue please look at the number of companies that of downsized in the last 10 years. All I can tell you is I am 28 have been professionally unemployable for 2 1/2 years after only being involved for 5 years total with business that I have personally started in South Africa, Australia and Hong Kong. Like I said I am sorry it didn't work for you but it has for myself and Hundreds of thousands like me. Good day: you are really full of it. obviously you haven't a clue of what you are talking about. if you don't like mlm, get over it bud and move on. by the way, $200 million in sales.... i guess you are right, it doesn't work. I have experienced several MLM companies, some better than others. It is interesting that you spend so much energy into not being scammed. MLM companies offer people the opportunity to take their future into there own hands. This to most poeple is scary beyond there comprehension and they will usually self sabotage and then blame it on the company. The highest good is never located in a company or a system but within yourself. Be careful that we do not blame others for our own failure because this will make it next to impossible to make the changes in our own life. Thank you Re: Equinox When the legal battles broke out and the company agreed to buy back all unused productpurchased within the last year, I swallowed the hook and sent stuff back. Now not only am I out the original purchase price, I'm also out the $1600 of product they were to refund on. Is there any government off ice to contact to try to put pressure on Equinox to honor their offer of refunds? Just glad I only paid for 1 training. Re: Equinox To whom it may concern: Its been about 3 years since I was an Equinox distributor, and reading your story brought back all of the unpleasantries I put up with for 4 years as I tried to claw my way to the top of that company. And yes, I lost everything including my house, husband, cars, friends, respect of family members and lastly close to $150,000 in debt. I too attended all the trainings, seminars including perpetual money machine, journey beyond perception (because it was expected of me to attend, even though I couldn't afford it) But it was at those trainings that I was able to see a different side to Bill Gouldd that I wasn't very fond of or would like to get to know. But hear I am 3 years later bouncing back and am very successful at what I now do in life. Thank you for sharing your story, because for a long time I thouhgt I wasn't good enough to be an executive director ( even though my group was $!0,000 short of doing $100,000 in a month to get me there and my sponsor did not share with me he could of promoted me to exec anyway) Funny how these things work, huh. Good luck to you and thanks.......... Re: Amway Dear Ruth: I've noticed that the "Facts Do Count" web page has been down for at least a month. Do you plan to mirrior it, or do you know anyone who plans to do so? Also, do you know the password for "Ask an Emerald" site? Keep up the good work! Re: Amway/Quixtar Anyone who has been approached by an MLM should visit your site. I cannot thank you more for it. It has saved me from a lot of heartache. I went to "Dream Night" a few months ago. My husband was really gung ho about the "opportunity" (Amway or Quixtar; they're all the same to me!) after his high school buddy prospected him. Then as soon as I got back to the states from a six month med cruise and drove home on leave we stayed at their house and they prospected me. His friend told me it was called Quixtar and it was formed by Amway (Oooohh! An honest distributor, huh?). He said it was all legal, but I had apprehensions. Then came Dream Night. Talk about materialism at its worst. We were shown video after video of these diamonds' big purty houses, their BMWs, porsches, ferraris... you name it. And their boats, golf courses, airplanes, do I have to go on? You probably know everything else! "THIS CAN ALL BE YOURS!!" said the charismatic speaker among the cheers. Meanwhile I'm sitting in the back, looking at my watch, eyeing the door and contemplating a trip to the hotel bar. On top of it all trying to keep my dinner down. The event came to an end about 12:30. I was tired wanted to get out of my dress and go to sleep but my hubby wanted to visit with his friends. We got home about 3am. I knew I wasn't going to another such event ever again but boy was my husband keyed up! That's where your site comes in. I was looking at some message boards where this guy Marty was telling people about the Quixtar thing and people were responding with "It's a scam" and calling Amway "Scamway!" One of the messages posted a link to Sidney Schwartz's site "Amway the Untold Story" (another helpful site) which I visited. I started researching other websites including yours and all my suspicions were confirmed. But I think yours helped the most because you seem to have the most information on Amway and other MLMs. Again, thank you! My husband is still a little peeved that I told him I didn't want to do the business, but I don't think he really wants to do it either. He has bought a few tapes from his friend but they are still wrapped in the plastic, unlistened to. He has a profiles for success that I opened up last night. That was a repeat of the Dream Night. Nothing but love for possessions. Well I could go on about how I don't trust this company but my fingers are tired and I would like to read some of the other responses. Re: Omegatrend I recently clicked on a link on your page to regarding Omegatrend, to a David Gerard, what a joke. This guy makes mulder and scully look believable. I do disagree with a lot of your so called opinions from people on your site. I have had a wonderful experience from MLM i have it done it by myself. I dont have a background in selling and thank Omegatrend for turning my relationship and life around. Mr Gerard sounds like the sort of guy that if you gave him $500 grand would complain that it was good but not enough to really do anything with. Comparing Omegatrend in the early 90's to Omegatrend now or to any other mlm, and we looked at a few, is like comparing a mini minor to a rolls royce yeh their both cars but thats it. Anyway everyone has their own opinion so best of luck. My thought is if people are going to make a decision based on what you or anyone on here, who they have never met never seen they dont even know their background morals or belief and who wont be helping them or paying their bills, then they will never really get out of their small little lives as they cant make a decision for themselves. Have a great week and best of luck for the future. Re: Amway Dear Ruth: I was involved with Amway for two years, and while I made little money, it was a very pleasant experience. I believe that Amway isn't for everyone, and if what you say is true, it is for no one. I met many of the large pins, including "Reverend" Britt, as I like to call him, Ron Puryear, Greg Duncan, Dave Duncan, Brad Duncan, Jeff Moore, Terry Woodhead, Dave Severn, Norm Kizirian, Dave Eggers, Theron Nelsen, Jack Dougherty, Ken Cox, Joe Folio, Al Gallo, and my personal upline counselor, Jimmy Head. In fact, Jimmy came to my home town to do a "nuts and bolts," and since it was close to his birthday, we had a surprise party for him. While none of these people were close friends of mine, I felt as though I had known them for years. Even the ones that I had only met via tape (i.e. John Sestina, Angelo Nardoni, Deter Yeager, Jim Brooks, Bill Hawkins, and many others) were all close to my heart. It is hard for me to believe, therefore, that all of these people...people who I grew to respect, trust, and admire...are all involved in one big giant hoax. I have always been sort of introverted, and I've never gotten into hero worship, so believe me when I say that I was NOT sucked into some sort of cultish following. In fact, one of the first functions I ever went to featured Triple Diamond Bill Britt, who was a good friend of the people I had traveled with. I had the opportunity to have dinner with Bill and Peggy. One of the other participants was so nervous that he couldn't do anything right. I couldn't figure out what the big deal was, except that this guy made a hell of a lot more money than anyone else at the table. My only thought was, "This guy is a multi-millionaire, and I'm not. I need to know what this guy knows." But it certainly wasn't hero worship, not for me at least. These people were real to me, as real as anyone I had ever known. I remember one particular speech Jimmy Head gave entitled "Talk's Cheap," where he challenged everyone to not just talk the talk, but walk the walk. I still use that in my business presentations to this day (not Amway). I always thought Jimmy was a bit of an arrogant ass, but I also recognized that his passion for helping people was real!!! He inspired in me a sense of belonging that I had never felt in my life before or since. He gave me hope when every other area of my life was hopeless. I weighed 425 pounds, had very few real friends, and I was miserable. Jimmy looked me squarely in the eye and said, "You want to continue eating and waiting for Miller time? That's fine, but you're going to have a lousy life. Only you can take charge of your life, no one else. You lose that weight, and build this silly little soap business, and you'll have a great life. You can do it!!!" A few weeks later I received a post card from Jim and Judy who were celebrating their new EDC status in the Bahamas, before going to Europe. Ruth, most people avoided me, many even refusing to make eye contact with me, or return a smile. I guess they were afraid that my flab was contagious. Everyone from store clerks to bank managers kept their distance. But you know what? There was one group that invited me into the fold, so to speak. The Amway people. None of these people sponsored me. None of these people were required to be nice to me. None of these people would ever make a dime off me. Yet, they were ALL nice to me. In fact, they were much nicer to me than most people in my church were. I can remember sitting in the audience at a Free Enterprise Day, about 5000 participants strong, thinking, "This is either the greatest businesses in the history of the world, or the most well-orchestrated pack of lies ever perpetuated on the public." (Yes, I actually thought that). Could they all be lying? No way, not all of them. Exaggerating? Sure. But not lying. So while I am not here to defend Amway or the AMOs--I haven't even been a distributor for 12 years--I will say that I learned more about business, free enterprise, and myself from the Amway Emeralds and Diamonds than I ever learned in college. And while I believe that you are generally doing a good service in that you are forcing people to think, I am concerned that your approach is just as egregious as some of the AMOs you are so very critical of. You make it seem as though everyone who is an Amway distributor is a no good, thieving bastard, with no morals or scruples. You even implied in your site that the Japanese terrorists that were planning to dispurse poisonous gas were Amway distributors. Yours isn't the only site that does this. I read one letter from a guy who compared Amway distributors to serial killers. What the hell??? Please explain to me how this is any better than the tactics used by AMOs. You accuse the AMOs of spreading lies and deceat. But aren't you spreading fear and innuendo? Many of your examples are really non-sequeter in nature, and logically flawed. There is ample evidence that suggests that Edward Kennedy is a drunken slug. Does that mean that all Irish Catholics are drunken slugs as well? I guess all Liberal Democrats are too. By your way of thinking they are. There is plenty to be critical of when it comes to Amway without resorting to the same exact hype, albeit in reverse, that the AMOs are guilty of. Many of the things that happened to other distributors never happened to me, so it is hard for me to relate. No one tried forcing me to do anything. No one tried to get me to forsake everything in my life for Amway. No one tried to force me to use only Amway products and nothing else, or to associate with only Amway people. I was never harrassed or ridiculed--except by non-Amway distributors, who laughed at me and ridiculed me mercilessly!!! Ruth, if what you say is true, and I have no reason to call you a liar, then my heart is indeed saddened!!! I have never...NEVER...met a finer group of people as those in the Amway business, and to think that they are all, at least at higher levels, involved in unscrupulous business practices, gives me pause to hang my head in sorrow. In closing, I applaud your efforts to educate people, but your methods leave much to be desired. Thank you for your time. All my best to you and your family. Until next time... Part II Ruth: Thank you for your response. To be honest, I figured you would simply chalk me up as just another fanatical Amway supporter. I am glad that I was wrong. Ron Puryear is the man who is primarily responsible for World Wide Dream Builders, and with the exception of Yeager, Britt, Sestina, and Nordone, each person I mentioned is in Puryear's group. The last time I spoke with Ron he was a puny Double Diamond, with a downline so full of EDCs, Diamonds, and Emeralds, that he was one of the most sought after speakers in all of Amway. In fact, the year I attended FED, six of the new Diamond couples were in Puryear's group. Puryear was so good at what he did that he broke 6 directs in the same year, going from a 3-legged Emerald to a 9-legged Diamond. Much of what World Wide Dream Builders has today came from the mind and efforts of Puryear. To this day, his group holds the record for most volume moved by any one distributor in any given month. Most of the people who plug into his system go Diamond in a relatively short period of time. (Those that actually go diamond, I mean). I guess my only point is that if Puryear is in bed with Britt/Yeager, which of course he is, he has taken their system to a much higher level, which would make him one of the all time biggest frauds to ever wear feet, right up there with Fobair, maybe even worse. That breaks my heart!!!!! I can understand how someone who reaches the Emerald level could look the other way when faced with the reality that you have endeavored to expose. Going Emerald is tough, and I don't know that I could walk away after spending so much time and money getting there. When I met Jimmy Head he was an 8-legged diamond on the verge of EDC qualification. It was an interesting twist of circumstances that led me into a leg where my upline direct was also my upline Ruby, Pearl, Emerald, Diamond, and EDC. Jimmy was the man. I was at 100 PV and he was an EDC, working a leg with no directs in it at all. It occured to me that Jimmy didn't have to be with us every month. He was an EDC, after all. Why would this man come to a nowhere little town, 300 miles from home, unless he genuinely cared about us? Ruth, it is so damned hard for me to accept the fact that Jimmy isn't the real deal!!! That being said, there is something that has bugged me for years that maybe makes sense to me now. You see, my good friend Dennis was a four-legged Pearl in Emerald qualification, and one day he simply quit the Amway business, giving up a pretty good sized downline, and a pretty healthy income. In fact, he had one leg in Taiwan that was growing like a wildfire. About a year later he sponsored in brand new under Jimmy Head. I came in a couple of months after that, which is how I came to know Jimmy. I thought it was very, very strange that Dennis would walk away from something he worked so hard to build. All he would ever say is that his upline was doing things that he couldn't sanction. Okay, but why in God's name would he throw away years of work? Why didn't he just go further upline, and circumvent the problem all together? For years I have wondered what had happened. Dennis, and especially his wife, were the salt of the earth. I have not met a more honorable couple in my entire life. Dennis came back into Amway, but I could tell that something was different. It didn't seem that his heart was in it anymore. In fact he took an early retirement from his job, moved to another town, and started up a non-Amway business there. Maybe now I know why!!! Let me move on and wrap this long-winded letter up. You see, I can accept the fact that Amway is built on a foundation of lies and deceit. I don't want to admit it, but what is...is!!! But I still have a few problems with your approach. For example, you said that in a cult, one is "love bombed," in the beginning, but later begins the manipulation and mind-control. But if 99% of Amway distributors never reach any real level of success, why would they try to manipulate anyone, especially some mook that is cross line? The people who were incredibly nice to me were the warriors in the trenches...the 99%...the huddled masses who have no idea of what is going on. They were the ones being nice to me. Was all that kindness a well thought out, calculated act designed to suck me in? Are you saying that the people who are being manipulated by the cult leaders--Emeralds and beyond--are at the same time doing the manipulating? And later the controlling? Amway is all about making money, period. Why in the world would some guy, in a totally different leg from me, who has nothing to gain from me, strike up a converstion in order to manipulate me? Was that what I was doing to other people that I was nice to? Granted I am no expert in cult tactics, but it seems very strange to me. When I said that you were using scare tactics, I meant that you push the premise that someone who becomes an Amway distributor has a high probability of becoming a law breaking criminal. You may deny this, but that is certainly what I got out of it. I don't recall you mentioning anything about a person's level in the Amway business when mentioning that "John Schmuck, who was indicted for bilking money from the widow's pension fund, is an Amway distributor," or "Joe Blo from Kokomo, local Amway distributor, was arrested yesterday for traffiking in stolen merchandise." Of course I made these examples up, but they are not too far off the mark from what you have on your site. You give the impression that being an Amway distributor is congruent to being a felon. I don't recall any qualifications in your statements about these people that are involved in criminal activity being only Emeralds or higher. If it is there, my apologies, but I just do not recall seeing it anywhere. If you believe that 99% of all the people in Amway are the salt of the earth, and only the tiny 1% are the criminals, then why isn't that premise more prominent on your site? And how is it relevant that an Aum Shinrikyo member was also an Amway distributor? Many of the members are Buddhists. Some practice Shinto. Some of them know Karate. Some of them speak English. But nowhere did I see an indictment of any Aum Shinrikyo member who is an English speaking, ass-kicking, Buddhist/Shinto who follows the Bushido Code. You singled out one guy--an Amway distributor!!! Each one of your examples is designed to give the impression that if you become an Amway distributor, look out pal, you're only one step away from the Big House, and that's just flat unfair!!!!! I believe that for you to maintain credibility, you should not base your arguments on what some guy, who happened to be an Amway distributor, did that wasn't completely honest, especially if you believe that 99% of the Amway distributors are mere suckers, duped by the system. All in all, as I have said before, I believe you are doing a good thing. But I also believe that your approach is just as egregious and unfair as anything any of the AMOs and their generals are doing. I just do not believe that you need to sink to such low tactics. All my best to you and your family, and I in no way mean to offend you. Take care. Until next time... Part III Okay, Ruth, I concede. I do recall a good friend of mine who had a problem with her upline Ruby. Their upline Diamomd, Jim Brooks, sided with the Ruby, and actively absorbed everyone in the leg, while pushing Caroline out. I'll be honest, what you maintain really makes my stomach churn. It wouldn't bother me so much that most of the money comes from the books and tapes if more people were successful with Amway, and they were straight forward about it. I don't care if you get rich shoveling bovine feces, as long as you know what you're getting into. I don't really understand why Amway couldn't make it by virtue of their products. They have the backing of many large companies, and their products, while overpriced, are by and large good. Look at Pre-Paid Legal...one basic quality product, not a lot of hype, and many success stories. And Neways seems to be a quality company, although a couple of the higher pins use marketing methods that piss me off. By the way, do you know anthing about a company called ACN? I think it stands for American Communications Network. I am not looking at it for myself, but for a friend of mine who has NO experience with MLM. I'm going with her to protect her from hype and bullshit. Well, Ruth, my heart is broken. I loved the Amway business, even if I didn't make a lot of money. I loved listening to the Goads sing, "Freedom...Freedom...come and sing along with us...." I loved seeing grown men madly in love with their wives, and not afraid to show it in front of 5000 people. I loved hearing the stories of people overcoming all the odds to make it to the top. I loved being in a room with happy people who didn't give a damn that I weighed over 400 pounds. I loved being in a room with people who weren't afraid to leave their wallets and purses unattended. I loved being with people that would turn in $500.00 in cash rather than pocket it, and the money was every dime an elderly couple had with them. I loved seeing a man excited for the first time in his life, and a wife that for the first time respects her husband. I loved hearing men who told it like it is...without being politically correct. And most of all, I loved watching a grown man unafraid to shed a tear in front of other men. And it's all a big show? I expect that from the WWF, but not from AMWAY!!! Thanks for your correspondence, and your patience. I still think you site needs a little fixing, but all in all, I like it. I hope to keep in touch with you, and keep up the good work. All my best to you and your family!!!!! Until next time... P.S. Not that it matters, but Jimmy was already in EDC qualification with another leg when he was coming to my town. He didn't need us to go EDC, but still he came. Double? Yes, of course, but not EDC. Re: Amway/Quixtar Just thought you might be interested in a Wired article that ran today: http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,35137,00.html Two friends of mine are mixed up in this whole business. They claim to be making money now but I wonder how much of the newfound wealth is spent on books and tapes. I asked my friend recently when he would be retiring. "Not anytime soon," was his response. Ah well, live and let live. They don't push Amway or Quixtar on me anymore and I don't try to drag them from it. Re: Quixtar/WWDB Dear Ruth,My problem is for real, I contact you with little knowledge of how to fix my problem, and I am in search of any advice you may offer. My Story: My boyfriend of 5 years (now fiance) has been involved in this "business" for 7 months now. He is "dreaming the dream" or some crap like that. He is completely Brainwashed. His family and I are deeply concerned. He is not even acting like the same person. His upline (wwdb, for exact group) has convinced him it is necessary to drop out of college for the time being (he's only 1 year from graduation) to take advantage of this "window of opportunity" that they tell him is greatest right now. He is only at 200 PV after 7 months and spending all his money on tapes, functions, gas, you name it. They have persuaded him he needs to be saved by "their "God. So he is now considering going to church with them. He is a Great, young, only 21, man who is doing this in hopes to bring his parents out of financial burdens, and to keep himself and I from ever being there ourselves. His heart truly is in the right place, however they use that to control him. They know his fears and dreams and they play him like a fiddle. He has alienated himself from his parents and Myself. They have told him if were not with him were against him, he thinks he needs these people. I need to help him see the light. I cannot give up on him yet, for I believe he is just truly BRAINWASHED BY THE CULT!!!!!!! He repeats their lingo, such as "Can't keep a winner from winning" Keep on Keeping On" Even the terrible" Fake it till you make it" Please give me some advice, I don't want him to feel like a failure, but that would be better than the alternatives. I am open to any suggestions, his family and I are hanging ion by threads, and were loosing him fast. Thankyou for any response. Part II Ruth, Thankyou for your reply, this is such a hard time, and very few who are willing to offer any advice. I have checked the sites you've mentioned and quite a few more. The book describes word by word the things he says and does, and what the business tells him. I read all this and feel sorry for him, not mad at him. I want to help him, but I cannot find straight advice about how to get him out. I have told him how I am here for him, no matter what. Still, I feel I have to do something. Any advice on what to say or do to get him out? Or anyone I can have talk to him?????? Thanks Again Ruth! Part III Dear Ruth: He is willing to listen to me, but I hurt his feelings, because he says I don't believe in him or understand the "business." It does make him feel that I am the negativity, which I am sure isolates him even more. However, I do think he would listen to others, not having to do with his family, if he didn't know it was our idea. I am also convinced that anyone he talks to, he would then "council" with his upline about their charges. But once the ideas are put in his head, he WILL debate them in private with himself. I know that FOR SURE! What is my next step? Again I thank you for your help, as does his Parents Re: KM.net Love your site. Im a pro networker. Your news on Km.net is not current. new developments that I think would benefit you as a site. Re: Equinox hi, i'm trying to find information about a product called rapid burn, put out by equinox. a friend was sold the product by her doctor for quick weight loss.i already know the doctors practices are questionable.any help would be appreciated. thanks, Re: KM.net Yes I can. KM.NET is NOT a scam. Attorney Jerry Neher, is counsel for KM.NET from the state of Michigan who is presently in conversation with Michigan Ag's office. They have no issues with us as long as we are complying. This is a company of hardworking owners AND representatives. I chuckle when I think of all of the mall companys out there that are charging $3000 per mall plus $1400 for yearly maintenance. KM is so rocking that the other companys with mall programs are angry they're getting smoked by the power and generosity of this program. A lot of dirt being thrown. The good news is we will get thru this and much like NuSkin who went thru it...our company will double in size. Once again we have mass hysteria caused by the lovely media who excersize ASSUMPTION...the lowest form of knowledge. I think your site would way more powerful if you showed not only the bad & the ugly but also the good in a company. Whether anyone likes it or not network marketing is here to stay. And I have seen those people that are teachable, with a work ethic in a fair company do very well. But it is "Networking" NOT "Notworking" I am available to answer any questions in the future. I trust you will present ALL of the facts on your site. That would be noble. Re: Amway/Quixtar Well, actually not........but have been presented with their 'opportunity.' They are as persistent as Jehovah's Wittnesses and are even nicer, which does make it hard to turn down, although I am a pretty hard guy to convince. They, of coarse, have answers for everything........except HOW (like you mentioned on your site) the business works from an actual selling and buying point of view. They are very vague on this. They keep redirecting me to how they (Quixtar/Amway on the net in this case) can chage your lifestyle, yet offer no concrete answers on how it actually works. I have gotten more answers from your website than from them on this topic. They also equate getting in on their action to 'if you would have known Microsoft was going to be the kind of company it is now, you would have bought stock in it in it's beginning.' He mentioned how skeptics see Amway (which is why they changed the name to Quixtar) as somewhat cultish. I hadn't thought of it that way, but after hearing him and looking at your website I can see why. Anyway, you know all this and I am rambling. I have subscribed to your newsletter and, though longwinded, was just emailing you to tell you what an impressive site you have and to thank you for it. I LOVE your disclaimer! Thanks again, |
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